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moddedmystic
11-02-2006, 08:19 PM
What do you guys think of their latest claims? Real or BS?
http://www.modularfords.com/forums/2003-2004-mustang-cobra/stiegemeier-ported-combo-makes-546-rwhp-540-rwtq-17-s-boost-65526.html
OrangeFox
11-02-2006, 09:12 PM
Seems pretty high for boost on a eaton!
Video_Master
11-02-2006, 10:02 PM
16#'s is ideal for the stage IV blower. I totally believe the numbers seeing as though they used 110 Octane fuel and 25 degrees of timing.
KrisR
11-03-2006, 06:41 AM
I believe it. 25 degrees is quite a bit, right?

Also, they are using STD correction, which can show higher numbers (maybe 5-10hp) than the SAE that I usually see.
Kafn8td
11-03-2006, 07:05 AM
I believe them. There has been a couple other guys in that area on a high octane.
Shadowgray03
11-03-2006, 07:44 AM
I have absolutley NO faith in steggy numbers. He will do anything just to post up a number. Also as KrisR stated he posts STD numbers which can be very misleading. Lot of people call him and gripe because they arent getting the "advertised" numbers and he will bash any tuner, any shop and any dyno that cant give someone using his blower the same inflated numbers he uses.
moddedmystic
11-03-2006, 09:07 AM
Ya it seems like every fall they come up with some new and amazing results that nobody can duplicate. And the whole thing with them telling everybody not to put anything bigger than a 2lb lower on. Then they go and post new results with a 6lb lower.........WTF?
Video_Master
11-03-2006, 09:53 AM
Ya it seems like every fall they come up with some new and amazing results that nobody can duplicate. And the whole thing with them telling everybody not to put anything bigger than a 2lb lower on. Then they go and post new results with a 6lb lower.........WTF?


They never said anything bigger then a 2# lower, they said do not go over 16#'s of boost.
prostang92
11-03-2006, 10:47 AM
AUGHT ohh ALL IS NOT WELL IN THE PORTED BLOWER WORLD... :(
Kafn8td
11-03-2006, 11:10 AM
AUGHT ohh ALL IS NOT WELL IN THE PORTED BLOWER WORLD... :(
Why do you say that? If anything it just gets better.

What about the guys that have already seen those numbers and backed them up with timeslips?

I saw 516 SAE (527 STD) with just an upper (14 lbs of boost)and a 93 octane tune on 2 different dynos. How much net hp do you pick up per pound of boost? 10? Let's say it's 8, which I think is low, that would have put me over 530 SAE at 16 lbs.

I would say it's pushing it, but Broke7 on Mod Fords ran consistent high 10's on his for over 2 years that way with an IRS and 6 speeed.
prostang92
11-03-2006, 11:11 AM
i say everyone whoe doesnt gt the advertised numbrs shoulkd get a refund... :) SEEMS ONLY FAIR LOL
Kafn8td
11-03-2006, 11:14 AM
would only be fair if all cars are the same and every tuner knew what he was doing. Most tuners don't however.
moddedmystic
11-03-2006, 11:59 AM
They never said anything bigger then a 2# lower, they said do not go over 16#'s of boost.
One of their original posts said not to run anything bigger than a 2lb lower. Its posted somewhere on SVTPerformance.Even though 2.93/4 and 3.1/6 are the same ratios, Stiege' said that they spin the heaton too hard? Thats why with statements like that you wonder whats goin on with those guys sometimes.I'm not hate'n its just seems to me that you should be able to duplicate their results if there substantial.Just my .02
Kafn8td
11-03-2006, 12:22 PM
I agree Mark that the results should be repeatable. Trouble is not all cars are the same, not all dynos are the same, conditions are different, and not all tuners tune the same. I saw about a 30 hp jump going from one tuner to another with a much cleaner AF ratio under worse air conditions (higher temps and humidity).

How many guys are there that run 110 and 25 degrees of timing? Probably not many.
Didn't Badcobra have over 530hp? With a Stage III, meth and a ton of timing he ran high 10's.
HELLFYR
11-03-2006, 01:20 PM
I believe it. 25 degrees is quite a bit, right?

Also, they are using STD correction, which can show higher numbers (maybe 5-10hp) than the SAE that I usually see.



Mines at 23 deg on the stock blower and pulley.

Rod
moddedmystic
11-03-2006, 01:40 PM
The thing about "Corrected" numbers means that a guy in Minnesota should get the same numbers as a guy in Missouri.Air temp aside.Right?
Kafn8td
11-03-2006, 01:47 PM
technical but good explanation.

"SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers), USA. Power is corrected to reference conditions of 29.23 InHg (99 kPa) of dry air and 77 F (25°C). This SAE standard requires a correction for friction torque. Friction torque can be determined by measurements on special motoring dynamometers (which is only practical in research environments) or can be estimated. When estimates must be used, the SAE standard uses a default Mechanical Efficiency (ME) value of 85%. This is approximately correct at peak torque but not at other engine operating speeds. Some dynamometer systems use the SAE correction factor for atmospheric conditions but do not take mechanical efficiency into consideration at all (i.e. they assume a ME of 100%).

STD or STP. Another power correction standard determined by the SAE. This standard has been stable for a long time and is widely used in the performance industry. Power is corrected to reference conditions of 29.92 InHg (103.3 kPa) of dry air and 60 F (15.5°C). Because the reference conditions include higher pressure and cooler air than the SAE standard, these corrected power numbers will always be about 4 % higher than the SAE power numbers. Friction torque is handled in the same way as in the SAE standard."
Video_Master
11-03-2006, 03:45 PM
One of their original posts said not to run anything bigger than a 2lb lower. Its posted somewhere on SVTPerformance.Even though 2.93/4 and 3.1/6 are the same ratios, Stiege' said that they spin the heaton too hard? Thats why with statements like that you wonder whats goin on with those guys sometimes.I'm not hate'n its just seems to me that you should be able to duplicate their results if there substantial.Just my .02


And he came back out and stated that people misunderstood him. He said 16#'s of boost and said that it does not matter the lower as long as you keep the correct ratio.3.1/6 and 2.93/4 and 2.76/2 are all about the same and are all good combos. He just says 16#'s of boost.
moddedmystic
11-04-2006, 12:07 PM
Cool tech sheet Rick! Where did you find it? Very informitive.
~Mark
Kafn8td
11-04-2006, 02:25 PM
One of the L boards, can't remember which one it was, but I saved the explanation.
Grenade
11-04-2006, 03:02 PM
I agree Mark that the results should be repeatable. Trouble is not all cars are the same, not all dynos are the same, conditions are different, and not all tuners tune the same. I saw about a 30 hp jump going from one tuner to another with a much cleaner AF ratio under worse air conditions (higher temps and humidity).

How many guys are there that run 110 and 25 degrees of timing? Probably not many.
Didn't Badcobra have over 530hp? With a Stage III, meth and a ton of timing he ran high 10's.
I think he said that night, he was pushing 550. He ran at least a 10.8 maybe faster. Belt slip limited him to 120 mph. A low 1.7 or high 1.6 60 ft. Plus he is a very good driver. great air that night. That was his first run.
Grenade
11-04-2006, 03:09 PM
On my wish list is a 2 lb lower. That, with a solid and traction, should get me a car with the potential to run a mid 11. My goal is to try to duplicate the path Bad Cobra took to run his 10. Although I believe he did it with an Irs. I like how stock his car looked.
Video_Master
11-04-2006, 06:27 PM
On my wish list is a 2 lb lower. That, with a solid and traction, should get me a car with the potential to run a mid 11. My goal is to try to duplicate the path Bad Cobra took to run his 10. Although I believe he did it with an Irs. I like how stock his car looked.


Are you thinking of the Blue one? If so that is Fast Mark, not Badcobra. Badcobra has not been out this year at all as the car has been at the shop all year long.
Grenade
11-04-2006, 07:07 PM
Are you thinking of the Blue one? If so that is Fast Mark, not Badcobra. Badcobra has not been out this year at all as the car has been at the shop all year long.
May of 2005, Kaf, Badcobra, and myself drove to Cedarfalls. He was running a ported blower and meth, I believe. Stock Wheels all the way around. 315 Nittoes on back. It it my goal to have a 10 sec Cobra like he did, that basically looks stock. Kaf is close, I'm some more mods away. But it is my goal. I'd like to see how far I can get on an unported blower. Unless some really great deal on a ported blower comes up.
Video_Master
11-04-2006, 09:48 PM
Cool. If I remember correctly also Tony was spraying at least a 150 shot of nitrous at the track too. I know later in 2005 he upped it to a 200 shot of nitrous. I wish you the best of luck, but without the boost from the nitrous I think it will be very tough with the IRS.
Kafn8td
11-04-2006, 10:00 PM
Tony was running a stage III with an upper and lower, methanol injection kit and I believe he had 335 ET streets. He ran a 10 with that setup.
Grenade
11-05-2006, 08:20 AM
Tony was running a stage III with an upper and lower, methanol injection kit and I believe he had 335 ET streets. He ran a 10 with that setup.
No nitrous with that setup that night.....With a solid rear, some drag wheels and tires, I Should be able to run a 10, I'll prolly need a port to do it. With some weight reduction, I think I can run a 10.99 with about 530Hp. I'm not sure I can get much more hp than about 475-480, Without a port. A two lb lower should get me close to 475. It's a matter of driving ability to see how far I can take it. Now that's some good ol fashin' bench racin'.
KrisR
11-05-2006, 06:19 PM
No nitrous with that setup that night.....With a solid rear, some drag wheels and tires, I Should be able to run a 10, I'll prolly need a port to do it. With some weight reduction, I think I can run a 10.99 with about 530Hp. I'm not sure I can get much more hp than about 475-480, Without a port. A two lb lower should get me close to 475. It's a matter of driving ability to see how far I can take it. Now that's some good ol fashin' bench racin'.

You should leave the blower unported, get a flip chip with a race gas tune with a bunch of timing, run some 110 in that thing (change the 02 sensors afterwards :) ), get the solid rear, some 26x10 slicks, skinnies on the front, longtube headers, and go for 10s with the stock blower. :worship:

You're already at 11.9 with a 1.9 60-foot; lower that to a 1.6 and you'd be close to 11.40s or 11.50s; add some more power, remove some weight, get some more seat time in the car, and voila! You'll need some great air, but I think it can happen.
Grenade
11-05-2006, 06:42 PM
You should leave the blower unported, get a flip chip with a race gas tune with a bunch of timing, run some 110 in that thing (change the 02 sensors afterwards :) ), get the solid rear, some 26x10 slicks, skinnies on the front, longtube headers, and go for 10s with the stock blower. :worship:

You're already at 11.9 with a 1.9 60-foot; lower that to a 1.6 and you'd be close to 11.40s or 11.50s; add some more power, remove some weight, get some more seat time in the car, and voila! You'll need some great air, but I think it can happen.
Something to think about.
Kafn8td
11-05-2006, 08:48 PM
be one of the very few on an unported blower to do it!
Grenade
11-05-2006, 11:03 PM
be one of the very few on an unported blower to do it!
It's an interesting goal, But without a port, I'm looking at trying to run a 10 with about 475hp. I guess it could be done with some serious weight savings. i'm not sure I have the driving ability yet. But an 11.49 could happen. that's my goal for 07.