Parts list for PPRV removal

[moddedmystic]

Napa
hose clamp #705-1226
"Y" fitting #2-638

CarQuest
3/8 submersable fuel line
#27097

I got the hose from CarQuest on hwy 13 and cliff road in burnsville. You'll need two 1 foot pieces, their about $12 each.

~Mark

[DNeinstadt]

Make SURE it is the hose that ends in 10, NOT 9. 30R10 or whatever.

You need 6 clamps and one Y fitting per car. The part #'s listed are correct. I got mine from Carquest in Fridley. Greg helped me out ordering it and the hoses cost me $17 each. :(

Ah well, I'd spend more than $10 in gas driving to Burnsville to get 'em!

Dan

[Video_Master]

I was looking up the part numbers and I see T adapters, but no Y adapters. Is this correct?

[DNeinstadt]

They may consider them T fittings but they are Y shaped. :)

Dan

[Video_Master]

Hmm, will need to stop by Napa. I know of the bolts holding the straps down, but what other bolts are there to removing the tank?

[DNeinstadt]

2 bolts holding the straps down, we pulled only my exhaust tips off, not the entire exhaust. There is a long tube going from the gas door into the tank you have to pull out sideways quite a bit, you need fuel line disconnects to remove the filter/lines, the rest is pretty much self explanatory when you get up in there. Some plugs/harnesses in the way but most unplug fairly easily.

Dan

[prostang92]

http://partimages.genpt.com/partimages/96861.jpg this is what you are using? ??

[Video_Master]

I would like to see a picture of the pump with the new parts on it. Can you post that up tonight?

[DNeinstadt]

Dave, here's what you're looking for:

http://04snake.com/images/2006-0705-cobra-Y-clamps-800.jpg
http://04snake.com/images/2006-0705-cobra-SAE30R10-800.jpg

To make this:

http://04snake.com/images/finished-PPRVconversion1.jpg

[DNeinstadt]

Chris, yep, that's the Y tubing. :)

[Video_Master]

Those are excellent pics.

[prostang92]

are other people wanting to do this???

[DNeinstadt]

Excellent pics because *I* didn't take them!! :)

Chris, I'm sure anyone that's nearing 525rwhp is getting close to this!!

Dave, I'd be nervous if you have it with nitrous, my fuel pressure goes down to 0 when it hiccups.. :(

Dan

[Video_Master]

I am just thinking of a precautionary measure. My car has no where near the hesitation that yours does.

[HELLFYR]

are other people wanting to do this???

I finally took the car wide open and it has the hesitation following the shift from 2-3. Dunno if it is between 1-2 too, I didn't run that fully out.

Ran 2nd gear to 6500 and slammed 3rd, big lull before the car figured out it was time to go again. Kinda like running into a sudden 60mph head wind.

Not as bad as D9 has described his doing, but it is definitely there.
(I am also prolly 200hp below the D9 monster).

I may be interested in this modification, but I really don't plan on racing the car frequently nor pulleying the car anytime soon. It would be more a "Fix something Ford did wrong" rather than fixing a driveability issue for me.

I however know nothing about fuel system modifications, and would probably hire someone to do the work not trusting myself to do it correctly.

Rod

[No1Ford]

I finally took the car wide open and it has the hesitation following the shift from 2-3. Dunno if it is between 1-2 too, I didn't run that fully out.

Ran 2nd gear to 6500 and slammed 3rd, big lull before the car figured out it was time to go again. Kinda like running into a sudden 60mph head wind.

Not as bad as D9 has described his doing, but it is definitely there.
(I am also prolly 200hp below the D9 monster).

I may be interested in this modification, but I really don't plan on racing the car frequently nor pulleying the car anytime soon. It would be more a "Fix something Ford did wrong" rather than fixing a driveability issue for me.

I however know nothing about fuel system modifications, and would probably hire someone to do the work not trusting myself to do it correctly.

Rod
I'll give you a hand rocklight, But first you have to move closer to me. :)

[BlownSVT]

i noticed today when running the car a bit harder i was haveng alot of hesitation between 1-2 and 2-3. it only did it some of the time though not on every shift. you guy think that it hasd something to do with the pprv? i don't have any where near 525hp only a measly 444.

[Shadowgray03]

I finally took the car wide open and it has the hesitation following the shift from 2-3. Dunno if it is between 1-2 too, I didn't run that fully out.

Ran 2nd gear to 6500 and slammed 3rd, big lull before the car figured out it was time to go again. Kinda like running into a sudden 60mph head wind.

Not as bad as D9 has described his doing, but it is definitely there.
(I am also prolly 200hp below the D9 monster).

I may be interested in this modification, but I really don't plan on racing the car frequently nor pulleying the car anytime soon. It would be more a "Fix something Ford did wrong" rather than fixing a driveability issue for me.

I however know nothing about fuel system modifications, and would probably hire someone to do the work not trusting myself to do it correctly.

RodIf your still stock Rod, your hesitation is likely the boost dump that occurs during shifting and not a PPRV issue. You should be able to datalog fuel pressure and see if its dropping when you feel the hesitation, if its not then its its prolly not the pprv.

[Video_Master]

could be in the tune right now, but from what I have seen from teh searches I did on Mod Fords looks like 80% of the 03/04 guys are starting to remove the PPRV. Man, we could have a PPRV removal day with everyone that wants to do it. I wonder if we could get each car done in less than 1.5 hours total.

[Video_Master]

If your still stock Rod, your hesitation is likely the boost dump that occurs during shifting and not a PPRV issue. You should be able to datalog fuel pressure and see if its dropping when you feel the hesitation, if its not then its its prolly not the pprv.


Speaking of fuel dropping, I watched it tonight while I was driving and my fuel pressure was dropping between shifts, not hiting 0 like Dan was talking about but it was getting down there like around 10 - 15.

[BlownSVT]

anyone know how the data logging works with the sct tuner off hand? i'd like to dry it and see if my pressure is dropping much.

[Video_Master]

not sure on the SCT, but I could use my predator cause all it does is read from the ODBII and we could do it. That or we could figure out how to use the SCT quick, it can't be that hard. What are you doing tomorrow night?

[DNeinstadt]

OK, I removed and reinstalled the tank tonight with some help. I'd like to thank:

Kafn8td
Grenade
Fastang
and my neighbor kid Ben for all their help. :)

It seems to be BETTER. I drove it only once tonight after we finished. (Had other comparisons to do) but it seemed MUCH better. The time test will tell all. I plan on driving it to work tomorrow and posting the pics (charging up the camera battery again) and then I'll report, but so far seems to be worthwhile.

1.5 hour? Not TOTALLY unreasonable... pushing it though. 2 hours MAYBE.

Dan

[DNeinstadt]

OK, here are some random pics.

Fuel pump without any hoses on it:
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/2.jpg
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/6.jpg

OLD PPRV hoses:
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/19.jpg

New PPRV removed hoses (and sexy legs!)
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/5.jpg

New setup going back in tank:
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/10.jpg
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/11.jpg

Brainiac's:
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/12.jpg

Proof that Taryn works on dirty cars too:
http://www.svtoatc.com/images/dan/parts/pprv/install/17.jpg

[Video_Master]

So where did you disconnect the fill tube at? Any pictures of that?

[DNeinstadt]

The fill tube just pulls out, you can see it in the pic right above the exhaust pipe, it just pushes in and out and that attaches with the bracket to the tank.

[prostang92]

SO WHAT EXACLTY DOES THIS THING YOU REMOVD SUPPOSED TO DO??

[DNeinstadt]

Keeps fuel in the line so you don't have to crank for a long time before start.

Dan

[prostang92]

OK SO ITS A CHECK VAVLE?

[DNeinstadt]

Basically yes. :)

[BlownSVT]

not sure on the SCT, but I could use my predator cause all it does is read from the ODBII and we could do it. That or we could figure out how to use the SCT quick, it can't be that hard. What are you doing tomorrow night?

i talked to dan at db tonight when i picked up my prochamber, hes gonna try and tweak the tune tomorrow on my lunch break. i asked him about data logging on the sct and he said he thinks you have to have a laptop in the car with you to do and some kind of software you have to down load. sounds like a pain. but i tried it a bit more today and it definitly hesitates and lurches hard between 1 and 2 and 2-3. if this new tune doesn't fix the problem it may be worth checking on your predator sometime just to see if it is a fuel pressure issue as opposed to the tune.

[HELLFYR]

Data Logging with the SCT XCAL2 (http://www.sctflash.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=822)

Enjoy,

Rod

[Grenade]

I'm doing this mod very soon. Nick, have you done this yet?

[Video_Master]

Grenade, do you have the parts for it yet? If not I have them all at my house and they have never been used. You can buy them from me for $25. The hose alone is $20 per foot and you need 2 of the 1 foot sections. PM me if you are interested.

[BlownSVT]

havent done it but i really should, if you are planning to do it maybe we just get together and do em both at the same time, i also still need to do my firewall ad. and quadrant

[OrangeFox]

I removed mine and still had the hesitation pretty badly, guess I was just one of the lucky ones. The whole process is pretty easy and doesn't take to long. As far as monitoring your fuel pressure it is a waste of time because if you are using your predator or whatever through the obd II port it is just getting the signal from the FRPS on the fuel rail and will always read withing 5 psi of wherever it is suppose to be. You would have to hook up a mechanical guage to get an accurate reading while you are driving at wide open throttle.

[Video_Master]

I removed mine and still had the hesitation pretty badly, guess I was just one of the lucky ones. The whole process is pretty easy and doesn't take to long. As far as monitoring your fuel pressure it is a waste of time because if you are using your predator or whatever through the obd II port it is just getting the signal from the FRPS on the fuel rail and will always read withing 5 psi of wherever it is suppose to be. You would have to hook up a mechanical guage to get an accurate reading while you are driving at wide open throttle.

It does not need to be a mechanical gauge, it can be electroonic also. Just needs to be an aftermarket one.

[Kafn8td]

Duty cycle is what you want to watch. Even though I didn't need to, I pulled mine and it cut my pump duty cycle in half.

[Grenade]

Grenade, do you have the parts for it yet? If not I have them all at my house and they have never been used. You can buy them from me for $25. The hose alone is $20 per foot and you need 2 of the 1 foot sections. PM me if you are interested.

Nice doing business with ya.

[OrangeFox]

It does not need to be a mechanical gauge, it can be electroonic also. Just needs to be an aftermarket one.

Typical response, clearly you didn't get my point. I leave out one small thing and of course you would catch it. Suppose in some cases that wouldn't be a bad thing:)