Supercharger Kit Pictures

[Blackcoog]

For those that haven't seen them this is the prototype pictures from the new supercharger kit that came out for the 2.5L from Thomas Knight.

Here are the specs taken from the group buy post:

___Pricing___
Retial without Gauges $2595
NECO Members without Gauges $2095
Upgrade Kit (To reach 12 PSI of Boost) $795

Shipping $75

THE HEAD UNIT CONSISTS OF A DUAL BALL BEARING CARTRIDGE, T04E COMPRESSOR HOUSING, BACKING PLATE, AND A MONSTER T18 CATERPILLAR WHEEL ALL MACHINED TOGETHER TO FIT :-) IT MAKES 5 PSI. THE BELT DRIVE IS CAPABLE OF HANDLING A V8 MAKING 5 PSI AND 700 CFM. THE SAME BELT POWERDYNE USES. THE SYSTEM COMES WITH A CUSTOM PULLEY FOR THE POWER STEERING PUMP, AND DRIVE BELT FOR THE PULLEY TO JACKSHAFT, A COG BELT FOR THE BELT DRIVE TURBO, AND A CUSTOM STEEL ENGINE MOUNT SUPPORT WHICH DOUBLES AS THE SUPERCHARGER MOUNT. A SPECIAL FITTING FOR THE POWER STEERING LINE, THE BELT DRIVE TURBO (BDT) TO AIR METER PIPES & HOSES, ADAPTER, CLAMPS, HEATER HOSES AND ADAPTERS FOR RELOCATING THE OVERFLOW TANK, TIE WRAPS TO KEEP EVERYTHING NEAT, AIR METER TO THROTTLE BODY COUPLER & CLAMPS, AND AIR FILTER (AS SHOWN--CHOOSE RED OR BLUE). A 5 PSI BOOST GAUGE COMES WITH THE KIT AS WELL. INSTALLATION IS 8-10 HRS FOR THE FIRST TIMER.
COMES WITH 1-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY--COVERS DEFECTIVE PARTS ONLY.

ADDITIONAL REQUIRED PARTS:

FUEL CONTROL OF SOME TYPE--
1999 CARS--FUEL SETUP 1, 2, OR 3.
2000+ CARS--FUEL SETUP 2 OR 3
1--FMU (12:1 ON EBAY FOR $90)
2--ADDITIONAL INJECTOR AND CONTROLLER
3--LARGER INJECTORS AND CONTROLLER.

SUGGESTED ADDITIONAL ACCESSORIES:
FUEL PUMP UPGRADE
AIR-FUEL METER
HEADERS & EXHAUST
3.0 SWAP
OIL COOLER FOR AUTO TRANNY
FRONT MOUNT INTERCOOLER (LOOKS COOL & ADDS A FEW HP AT 5 PSI. BIGGER GAINS AT *HIGHER BOOST)
BIG BORE T-BODY

*HIGHER BOOST--UP TO 12 PSI--IS POSSIBLE WITH UPGRADED CERAMIC CARTRIDGE BEARINGS, KEVLAR BELT, AND 6-GROOVE CUSTOM PULLEY (WILL REQUIRE SLIGHT MODS WITH SLEDGE TO FRAME RAILS FOR CLEARANCE) NOT RECOMMENDED OVER 6 PSI FOR STOCK ENGINE. LARGER INJECTORS A MUST FOR HIGHER BOOST. NO WARRANTY ON MODIFIED HEAD UNITS OR BELT DRIVE.

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[Blackcoog]

Keep in mind this is the prototype kit so things are perfect. I think it has lots of potential. I know the bends in the piping and the MAF placement aren't optimal but that can be tuned for or easily changed with a little work. Here are some more pictures and the compressor map:

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[Blackcoog]

If any of you 3L guys are looking at this I'd really like to run the piping around the front side of the engine. There is more room up there anyway and the people with the 3L intake manifolds probably woudln't have enough room to run the piping as it is now. Here is a turbo kit on a cougar with piping run through the front of the car and then underneath for a front mount.

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[prostang92]

DANG SKIPPY.... THATS ALOT OF PIPPING...

[cobraboy325]

not a whole lotta room under that hood is there
CB

[Blackcoog]

Nope, that's why there aren't too many kits out there. That's with the battery moved to the trunk. Otherwise, there would be no room at all. The only other supercharger kit is a crappy design by Vortech (no intercooler and had vibration issues with the jackshaft) for about $3600. There were ways to fix it if you spent enough on it and it. The turbo kit that came out for the car was about $6,000 so you can imagine it didn't sell very well. That kit is no longer sold because the company is retooling that design so they can have a turbo kit in the $3,000 range (no intercooler and run off stock exhaust manifolds). The kit above is being sold for $1700 in the group buy. You can't really go wrong for that price as long as the kit works. Pipe in an intercooler and pay for the upgrade and you'll still be cheaper than any other kit out there.

[VNMUS]

Oh my god!!! :pant: :pant: :pant: Someone hire me NOW!

[prostang92]

chris.. so tell me if im wrong??? is that 1/2 a turbo with a belt running ti instead of exhaust??? just noticed that somethign didnt look right....

cc

[Blackcoog]

It is a turbo compressor run off of custom pullies. It basically the same thing as a centrif supercharger. So you are correct. It was done this way because of room contraints. I don't think there is anything else out there that would be small enough to fit in that space and still give good power gains. If you wanted to remove the AC compressor there would be room on the front of the engine block but then its not a bolt on kit.

[ClOckwOrk]

all of thomas knight's supercharger kits use turbo compressor housings. he worked at a turbo manufacturer for some time, maybe still does. nice kit minus no BOV and no intercooler. ive thought about it, but i would rather just get my tranny done and put bigger jets in :D

[Blackcoog]

Neither came with the Vortech kit which was $3600. Isn't a BOV like $100? Intercooler kit online is about $300. Total: $2400 Still better than what is out there for our cars. Don't nitrous kits cost well over $500 for a good setup anyway? Then you have bottle heaters, remote openers, and bottle fills every week. Thats not cheap and it adds up quick.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully my kit was shipped out last Friday.

[ClOckwOrk]

that kit isnt a bad buy at all man. keep in mind you have to tune the car, you cant just plug in a new ecu like the vortech kit. and yes, nitrous is not cheap. ive got around 2k into mine and i still need a blow down tube, 12 in. lines(upgrade), and a whole nother kit with a progressive controller for my final setup. your basically paying the same amount in the end. but ive got MSD and all that included in that price, so i guess thats not totally accurate.

[Blackcoog]

I bought the SCT PRP for tuning. Not cheap but it will let me do anything. $2000 for Nitrous! Holy crap man!

[Video_Master]

$2000 for nitrous holy cow. I only have $1300 into my setup and I have all the toys.

[No1Ford]

$2000 for nitrous holy cow. I only have $1300 into my setup and I have all the toys.
YOU SAID 1500$ IN YOUR NOS, WELL CLOSE ENOUGH :bs:

[Video_Master]

YOU SAID 1500$ IN YOUR NOS, WELL CLOSE ENOUGH :bs:

We will call it $1300 - $1500. I do not want to dig all the invoices out right now so it is somewhere in that range. Still alot better then $2000.

[Blackcoog]

More pictures:

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I should have my kit within a week or two.

[ClOckwOrk]

No1ford, do you have a NX kit? i hope so. nx is overpriced but its worth it for top of the line.

[Blackcoog]

My supercharger kit was shipped out last Friday. Woohoo! I ordered it back in April.

[Blackcoog]

Picked my kit up but the compressor is the wrong color when I specified silver meaning don't paint the f'ing thing because they come in silver. They also coated the pipes black for some reason and I'm missing a pulley. The pulley is shown in the installation pictures but not in the inventory picture. Someone f'd that up. I'll call and ask.

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[prostang92]

THAT KIT INTERESTS MEE... :) ITS QUITE DIFFERENT...

WELL good luck chris...

[DirtyM]

Did they send your non-colored one to one of the other three guys instead?

[Blackcoog]

I called the guy up and he was very helpful. Turns out the guy heading up the group buy didn't let people know that all the compressors came in red only. The pulley I'm missing was sent out to everyone yesterday so I should have it today or tomorrow.

[prostang92]

wow... definetly will stand out in the crowd... :)

[Blackcoog]

wow... definetly will stand out in the crowd...

That's only if people can get past that it's only a Cougar when they first look at it. :roll2: That seems like the major obstacle. Seems like people could care less what's been done to it even though the most they have done is a K&N on their muscle car. :haha:

[VNMUS]

Seems like people could care less what's been done to it even though the most they have done is a K&N on their muscle car. :haha:

What are you trying to say??? :)

[Blackcoog]

What are you trying to say???

That you need to swap in a larger engine and put a supercharger on it like me or you're not cool. :haha:

[Kafn8td]

or put an a K&N on it.

[VNMUS]

That you need to swap in a larger engine and put a supercharger on it like me or you're not cool. :haha:
OOoooooh! A 5.4L in the MM. Who wants to give up their Lightning Engine? :pant:

[Blackcoog]

OOoooooh! A 5.4L in the MM. Who wants to give up their Lightning Engine?

Do it! :)

[SVTom]

I'll sell you mine! $20K sound about right?

[VNMUS]

I'll sell you mine! $20K sound about right?
For the whole truck?

[prostang92]

lol... 5.4 dohc navigator motor w/ a turbo would be way better....

[Blackcoog]

I called Thomas Knights shop again and got some good info. The kits he sent out in the group buy actually included some of the upgrade kit. After discussing it with him for a while he said he would send me the upgraded compressor for FREE! He's trying to get feedback from the kits so he wants people to get them installed and let him know how they are working out. He eventually wants to put a full kit together with fuel upgrades and sell it as a full bolt on kit.

[Brnnout]

I called Thomas Knights shop again and got some good info. The kits he sent out in the group buy actually included some of the upgrade kit. After discussing it with him for a while he said he would send me the upgraded compressor for FREE! He's trying to get feedback from the kits so he wants people to get them installed and let him know how they are working out. He eventually wants to put a full kit together with fuel upgrades and sell it as a full bolt on kit.


Sweet Deal!!! :rockit:

[SVT-5LITER]

Oh, it's a Cougar ;)

[ClOckwOrk]

what do you guys think.....boosted 3L vs 2.5+100 shot............good race? he'll win, i still got a SVT badge ;)

[VNMUS]

what do you guys think.....boosted 3L vs 2.5+100 shot............good race? he'll win, i still got a SVT badge ;)
Just wait till my CSVT is done and then we'll see! SVT v's SVT :gayfight:

[ClOckwOrk]

meh. by next summer i'll be over 400 whp ;)

[VNMUS]

meh. by next summer i'll be over 400 whp ;)
But can you drive? You wouldn't be the first in the club to have a very capable car and not be able to drive it :rolleyes: :gayfight: Just teasing you by the way.

[Blackcoog]

It won't be 400hp on a 2.5L... :uhoh:

You'll be into a 3L before long unless you get a accusump to take care of the 2.5L's oil issues.

[Blackcoog]

Started working on the modifications required by the kit last night. You need to modify the power steering pump bracket a bit and then bend the line up slightly. You also need to grind down a bump on the top of the pulley so two pullies can be sandwiched together. I tried hooking up the supercharger last night but the belt that came with the kit is too short. He said it was suppose to work with the stock powersteering pulley and I had an extra so I put two on there. I'll have to call later today and find out if I did something wrong but I may have to pick up a slightly larger belt. I also was a bit worried about the jackshaft pulley coming close to some bolts on the bracket. I'll get it figured out tonight or tomorrow.

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[ClOckwOrk]

nice. and dont doubt the little 2.5....... there's already a turboed 2.5 at 401 whp, warmonger (iirc) has a link to it on his page. hope to see this boosted cougar someday soon :)

[cobraboy325]

this is gonna be cool when you are done with it.
CB

[Blackcoog]

Dude that is a built 2.5L not a stock one....

[VNMUS]

Dude that is a built 2.5L not a stock one....
:gayfight:

[ClOckwOrk]

hey blackcoog do you think im going to just throw a turbo on a 100k mile motor and say its 400 whp? please man you dont know much about me..... it'll be a built 2.5. not like it matters though, i'll be toying my 10s snowmobile around soon enough.

[Blackcoog]

I don't know what you are going to do. I was just stating that the car with 400hp has aftermarket internals. I didn't know you were planning on dropping thousands into the 2.5L to build it up. If you do it should be able to handle anything.

i'll be toying my 10s snowmobile around soon enough.

Better build a snow maker so you can ride it with how our winters have been. :oogle: Unless you go out of state I guess...

[mdub95]

how much hp are you expecting with this kit?

[ClOckwOrk]

its an asphalt sled blackcoog :) 1/4 mile bracket racer! pics will be up when its got body panels, it doesnt look like much without em haha~!

and yeah, im going to do up a nice 2.5, but im going to ride out this summer first and work on it every day in the crappy weather. i'm buying a SHO in a month or two so maybe as soon as i get that i'll start tearing it apart. :) when do we get to see the blower on the coog????

[Speedj]

I don't know what you are going to do. I was just stating that the car with 400hp has aftermarket internals. I didn't know you were planning on dropping thousands into the 2.5L to build it up. If you do it should be able to handle anything.



Better build a snow maker so you can ride it with how our winters have been. :oogle: Unless you go out of state I guess...

This is not a real cougar.. I know I have the real Cougar & and it will pull away from this fake thing you call a cougar so fast you will think you are parked on the side of the road!! And I won't even put the slicks on. Also I have NO!! NOS or super charger. it's not needed to take the fake thing out!!!!!!!!!!

[ClOckwOrk]

lol careful. im guessing you speak of an old cougar. blackcoog's cougar will be over 300 whp and be twice as light. so you better have around say, 600 HP to pull your old boat around. besides, the old coogs are just a mustang with a goofy front end :P

all in good fun man, i drive a contour. like i can talk

[No1Ford]

:scared2:

[Blackcoog]

This is not a real cougar.. I know I have the real Cougar & and it will pull away from this fake thing you call a cougar so fast you will think you are parked on the side of the road!! And I won't even put the slicks on. Also I have NO!! NOS or super charger. it's not needed to take the fake thing out!!!!!!!!!!

Bring it on troll! :haha: I don't have NOS and I'll take off the supercharger and beat your pile of crap.

[cobraboy325]

uh oh hes calling him out ladies and gents. From a roll I can contest that more than one cobra has fallen to this beast and that was BEFORE a ton of his mods.
CB

[Speedj]

:pant: Bring it on troll! :haha: I don't have NOS and I'll take off the supercharger and beat your pile of crap.

When you can show me a time slip faster then my 11.88 @ 115 then open your mouth. :)

[Grenade]

SpeedJ is No1Fords dad. Late 60's 0r 70 Cougar with a built cleveland. And a real lack of ability to make friends on the board.

[No1Ford]

Ya be nice dad.

[No1Ford]

Also he's just having a little fun with BC, Go easy shawn. :google:

[No1Ford]

Lets all race.

[Speedj]

also he just having a little fun with BC, go easy shawn :google:

Ya Shawn go easy just giving BC a hard time I'm sure BC's car is fast for him.

maybe I come looking for you but before we race I would to disconnect your belt or a couple or your cylinders :)

[Grenade]

Ya Shawn go easy just giving BC a hard time I'm sure BC's car is fast for him.

maybe I come looking for you but before we race I would to disconnect your belt or a couple or your cylinders :)
Punctuation like Father, like son.

[No1Ford]

Please excuse me while I go to grammer school.........be back later
:ripped:

[Blackcoog]

When you can show me a time slip faster then my 11.88 @ 115 then open your mouth.

So let me get this straight you come on here and by here I mean a Contour forum. The Cougar is a Contour in case you didn't know. It just has different sheet metal on the outside. Then you pick a fight with a front wheel drive V6 car. Wow man if you didn't beat me in your rear wheel drive V8 car you should be stoned. You really know how to pick your fights. You just don't get it do you. I don't care that your hunk of metal can go fast down the track. I could go and buy a cobra right now if I wanted to go fast as I have the money to. I don't want a rear wheel drive V8 and I'm not trying to beat one. If I do so be it but that isn't my goal. I like working on my car and I always will I know I'll never sell it.

I didn't see you post a time slip for you car. Maybe you should do a little better and beat my 10.08 @ 120mph. :haha: Consider mouth open... oooooooo

BTW back to my original thread. My car is now boosted. Now to start working on the tune. More boost and an intercooler next. :)

[Kafn8td]

:pant:

When you can show me a time slip faster then my 11.88 @ 115 then open your mouth. :)

um ok. Is that an open challenge? Or do you just go looking for people you think are slower than you?

[DNeinstadt]

I don't recall ANY stock '60's car running 11's, but I could be wrong...

And the attitude needs to be checked at the door please..

Dan

[Grenade]

I don't recall ANY stock '60's car running 11's, but I could be wrong...

And the attitude needs to be checked at the door please..

Dan
64 T-bolt 427, with traction might. Extremely rare.

[Speedj]

Punctuation like Father, like son.

I don't need Punctuation to be Fast!!!!!!!!!!

[Speedj]

I don't recall ANY stock '60's car running 11's, but I could be wrong...

And the attitude needs to be checked at the door please..

Dan

It's not stock. And I was just joking around and having a little fun. No attitude!! :googleeye

[SHOTIME2669]

BTW back to my original thread. My car is now boosted. Now to start working on the tune. More boost and an intercooler next. :)

So do you have pics of the final install? I'm curious to see how this all went together. I know you mentioned some fitment issues and the like. This GB just got brought over to CEG as well. However they are still talking about the silver as being an option, which you are saying is not. Anyhow I will be very interested to see what kind of numbers you see with this kit. It seems as if he will be offering the turbo SC conv. with the bracket for just 1600. Which would allow some of us to route our own piping towards the front of the car. Like the car you previously showed or this one:


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[SVT-5LITER]

I don't recall ANY stock '60's car running 11's, but I could be wrong...

And the attitude needs to be checked at the door please..

Dan
Dan - you were around in the 60's?? ;)

And why would I check my truck at some door? Oh wait, different spelling, NM ;)

[SVT-5LITER]

So do you have pics of the final install? I'm curious to see how this all went together. I know you mentioned some fitment issues and the like. This GB just got brought over to CEG as well. However they are still talking about the silver as being an option, which you are saying is not. Anyhow I will be very interested to see what kind of numbers you see with this kit. It seems as if he will be offering the turbo SC conv. with the bracket for just 1600. Which would allow some of us to route our own piping towards the front of the car. Like the car you previously showed or this one:

Nice lookin' pic

[Blackcoog]

Here are the final install pictures. The kit still needs some work. The car is pegging my wideband at 10 so it's a little rich. :haha: I hooked up the boost guage that was sent with the kit and it was only reading 5 in.hg up to 5k rpm and then it dropped back down to 0 when it went up to redline. 1 Inch per HG is half a psi so that means I'm only getting 2.5psi right now and I don't even think that is enough to get over the loss from driving the supercharger. Also since the pressure is dropping up top that means the compressor isn't supplying enough air for the engine so the increased boost should help. This is still a prototype kit so I may have to switch a few things around to get it right. I'll be picking up a blow off valve for the kit soon to eliminate the compressor surge during shifts and throttle lift offs and I'm going to pick up a front mount intercooler as the intake air is a little too hot right now. You won't ever mistake the car for stock anymore though. This compressor is f'ing loud. :rockit:

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[OrangeFox]

Nice looking setups!

[VNMUS]

You're starting to get me worked up Chris! :pant:

[Redlineracer12]

Keep them pics coming :-) Get that beast up and on a Dyno! :pant:

[ryanblacksvt]

nice. and dont doubt the little 2.5....... there's already a turboed 2.5 at 401 whp, warmonger (iirc) has a link to it on his page. hope to see this boosted cougar someday soon :)


Actually Warmongers (tom) now Ray's csvt is a 3l not a 2.5 and its now 414 whp. He did the sct prp and tuned it to the astonishing 414 whp, so now THAT csvt is the highest hp csvt there is, used to be 401 not anymore.

But back on topic, yes this s/c does look very interesting and I am all for it...AFTER dyno tests and proven gains are shown. After that there are a few of us that will be in for this that dont post on ceg anymore.

[ClOckwOrk]

suneil's car was the 2.5 at 401 HP. its on a link at his page.

i have a 2.5 lined up for a turbo setup right now i am trying to get ahold of warmonger to possibly get the dimension's off his custom manifold to do something similar to that. im hoping to be in the 350 range with 8psi plus a 35 shot. next summer i will be out with some type of boost or a lot more nitrous. until then i'll keep with all the v8's with the spray :) nice install btw blackcoog :)

[Blackcoog]

But back on topic, yes this s/c does look very interesting and I am all for it...AFTER dyno tests and proven gains are shown. After that there are a few of us that will be in for this that dont post on ceg anymore.

There will be proven gains. The kit as it is now would be perfect on a stock 2.5L or even a 2.5L SVT motor if you didn't want to go wild, but it's too small for the 3L I have. I sent the compressor back for a larger one (free of charge :)). Mr. Knight uses a larger compressor on his 3L setups for the Stealth and 3000GT's which he will be sending back to me. The opening on the larger compressor is 2.5" so I'm going to change the piping around and run 2.5" piping down through the front bumper with a front mount intercooler and add in a BOV. The air was fairly hot (130F+ at 80F ambient) coming out of the compressor so a FMIC is needed. The piping run through the front should make the install look a little cleaner.

The kit needs a BOV really bad right now. Since this is a custom turbo compressor running off belts there is no bypass built in to purge the air that is forced back to the compressor when the throttle slams shut on decel. I have an apexi twin chamber BOV and a FMIC (27" x 5" x 3") with 2.5" inlet and outlet on order.

[VNMUS]

Keep the updates coming Chris.

[Video_Master]

Is this new one gonna be a different color?

[ryanblacksvt]

There will be proven gains. The kit as it is now would be perfect on a stock 2.5L or even a 2.5L SVT motor if you didn't want to go wild, but it's too small for the 3L I have. I sent the compressor back for a larger one (free of charge :)). Mr. Knight uses a larger compressor on his 3L setups for the Stealth and 3000GT's which he will be sending back to me. The opening on the larger compressor is 2.5" so I'm going to change the piping around and run 2.5" piping down through the front bumper with a front mount intercooler and add in a BOV. The air was fairly hot (130F+ at 80F ambient) coming out of the compressor so a FMIC is needed. The piping run through the front should make the install look a little cleaner.

The kit needs a BOV really bad right now. Since this is a custom turbo compressor running off belts there is no bypass built in to purge the air that is forced back to the compressor when the throttle slams shut on decel. I have an apexi twin chamber BOV and a FMIC (27" x 5" x 3") with 2.5" inlet and outlet on order.

Yes but what are the hp gains on the 2.5l svt motor. I wanna see a dyno sheet with how much you gain from this setup before I go and drop 2k on the kit. This kit dosent need a intercooler am I right?

[Blackcoog]

Is this new one gonna be a different color?

Actually yes it will be silver as the housing isn't painted. :)

Yes but what are the hp gains on the 2.5l svt motor. I wanna see a dyno sheet with how much you gain from this setup before I go and drop 2k on the kit. This kit dosent need a intercooler am I right?

The stock kit wasn't suppose to need an intercooler but the stock kit was designed for a stock 170hp 2.5L not a 200hp 2.5L SVT motor. If you run a larger compressor like mine you should be able to get away with cooler intake temps vs raising the boost pressure (changing pulleys) so you shouldn't need an intercooler. A front mount intercooler is cheap though so you might as well get one as the larger compressor will require larger piping which needs to be run through the front bumper because the thicker piping wouldn't fit under the hood. From what I hear you should gain 15hp per pound of boost. So if the compressor is correctly sized you should gain 90hp at 6psi. Only a dyno will tell the truth though.

[prostang92]

sweet deal chris....

HOPE IT ALL WORKS OUT....

cc

[ryanblacksvt]

Actually yes it will be silver as the housing isn't painted. :)



The stock kit wasn't suppose to need an intercooler but the stock kit was designed for a stock 170hp 2.5L not a 200hp 2.5L SVT motor. If you run a larger compressor like mine you should be able to get away with cooler intake temps vs raising the boost pressure (changing pulleys) so you shouldn't need an intercooler. A front mount intercooler is cheap though so you might as well get one as the larger compressor will require larger piping which needs to be run through the front bumper because the thicker piping wouldn't fit under the hood. From what I hear you should gain 15hp per pound of boost. So if the compressor is correctly sized you should gain 90hp at 6psi. Only a dyno will tell the truth though.


Damn that sounds nice man, and the larger compressor is the $750.00 upgrade kit right? Does that come with the larger piping as well. And when you say cheap how cheap is a fmic??? I will be on a tight budget but for that low of cost for aprox 90hp then hells yes.

[ryanblacksvt]

One more quick question, does this kit come with tuning and if so what kind. Main reason I ask is that I want to stick with my sct and my hypillauto tuner. I will NOT use anyone else.

[Blackcoog]

I'm not completely sure what the $750 upgrade kit was but in the ad it talks about a different pulley and different bearings. The larger compressor does not include that so I would say this is not the upgrade kit. If I still need more boost with the larger compressor to get decent numbers than I would probably have to get the upgrades.

You can get a FMIC on ebay for $150 shipped.

There is no tuning included. This is one reason why the kit is so cheap. I think he has plans for adding tuning to the kit down the road. I'm using the SCT Pro Racer Package with an XCal 2. You can do anything with the SCT software so stick with that.

[ryanblacksvt]

Well its hard to become a SCT auth dealer. Tell him if he is interested in teaming up with a top 20 SCT dealer I can make that happen. www.hypillauto.com Wayne Foy was named one of the top 20 dealers for all of SCT last year and really knows his stuff. His customer ratings and loyalties speak for themself. He has tuned quite few csvt's and a few cougars so he knows the duratec well. He specializes in the Focus, but can tune anything from a mustang,ranger,explorer,murader anything.

I am going to wait for the dyno graphs to come out then seek my tuners knowledge and see if this is a great idea for me to do since he is already wondering about it for my car.

[Blackcoog]

I heard back from Thomas Knight and he said since so many people only want the compressor and bracketry so they can run their own FMIC piping that he may only be selling it that way.

Still waiting impaciently to get the larger compressor back.

[ClOckwOrk]

blackcoog i am looking for a set of SVT LIM's i know that you had some for sale please let me know if you still do i am interested

[Blackcoog]

Sorry all I have left is a set of SVT heads and a block.

[ClOckwOrk]

do you have a crank with the block? how much for the heads?

[J2AutomotiveArt]

I didn't see you post a time slip for you car. Maybe you should do a little better and beat my 10.08 @ 120mph.

Will you have an opportunity this year to get down to Cedar Falls to run your new set-up? I would love to see and hear that car go down the track.

[Blackcoog]

If the car is running well and our club is heading down there I will probably go. I'm still waiting for the new compressor. Hopefully it will be here in the next few days.

[ClOckwOrk]

:) his car is damn nice, i got an opportunity to see it first hand!

i wanna see how sc 3L power compares to n20+2.5L

[Blackcoog]

I finally received the larger compressor and I was pretty ticked off when I found out it wouldn't fit because the housing is larger. The housing hits the fender now. I was freaking out about it for a while, but then I figured out I could just stack some washers under the bolts and raise everything up slightly so it would fit. I had to raise it just over a 1/4" so it wasn't so bad.

After everything was hooked up I started it up and had to do some tuning immediately. The car was idling at about 9 on my Wideband so I had to lean it out a lot. Then I drove it down the road and I had to lean it out a ton up until 3k rpms. After 3K rpms the secondaries open up and I had to give it a TON of fuel. Actually I had to give it more fuel then I could give it with my APEXI. I have a larger fuel pump and injectors so I'll have to swap those in. I was expecting that to happen so I have the parts to swap in now. I was only able to get it up to about 4k rpms before it started to go pretty lean. It's pretty insane up top though. I can't wait to get my SCT software figured out so I can get the air/fuel dialed in correctly.

I picked up a hole saw to drill into the fender and run the piping through the front of the car. It should clean things up quite a bit. Most won't even notice much of a change as I"ll be using my cold air intake piping still. :)

I actually converted it back to stock today because right now the car is my daily driver. It only takes about an hour to put it back to stock anyway. I just had a contour delivered that I'll get running so I can drive it every day while I work on the Cougar and get things dialed in correctly.

[VNMUS]

Sounds great Chris. I can't wait to see it and find out if it can easily be put into the CSVT.

[ClOckwOrk]

blackcoog. i put my car on the dyno, it runs good, but MASSIVE clutch slippage. i want to seriously talk about a diff, shift forks, and a clutch. if you dont wanna do the whole thing i will just get the tranny out and bring it to you, but i would feel safer if you did it. I WILL MAKE IT WORTH YOUR WHILE! i put down good power (ill show you later) and alot of knowledgeable guys that were watching told me that i could easily bring the stock motor over 300HP since its untuned, i need some UDP's, and headers/y pipe and some tuning. also a clutch, rofl. i'm gonna call you later ok?

[Blackcoog]

Sure just give me a call.

[Blackcoog]

Now that I sold the Contour I swapped a 3L into and finished up working on another one I have some time to continue working on the Cougar.

Since the last few posts I cut up an aluminum coolant tank and had it welded up so it would work with the supercharger in the stock location. I ran the piping through the front of the car to a front mount intercooler and I pulled off the cheesy intake filter and ran the intake down into the fender to my K&N filter. Here are a few pictures:

http://svtoatc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1498&stc=1

http://svtoatc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1499&stc=1

http://svtoatc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1501&stc=1

http://svtoatc.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1500&stc=1

I'm blinging now with all the polished aluminum. I just need to get some better pictures as it doesn't show up well at night with the flash.

[prostang92]

LOOKING GOOD CHRIS!!! run it yet??

CC

[VNMUS]

Looks great to me. How does it run?

[Blackcoog]

I turned it on for the first time since all the changes yesterday but I unhooked the intake piping. I wanted to make sure it was working and debrie was blown out. I'll get it hooked up later today. I still need to move the MAF before the compressor along with the valve cover breather vents. I'm running the breather vents to a filter (not shown in picture) when I have the supercharger hooked up. It should be much easier to tune with the suck through setup vs. the blow through setup shown above.

[ClOckwOrk]

i got to see it first hand, damn! if it proves to be reliable, i may just have to get one of those babys haha

[VNMUS]

i got to see it first hand, damn! if it proves to be reliable, i may just have to get one of those babys haha
:stupid:

[Video_Master]

Can't wait to see how much boost and what gains you will have with the kit.

[Blackcoog]

I gave the car a good run when I got home today and man this thing is 100 times better with the FMIC and the coolant tank where it is suppose to be. The power was awesome up top. I wasn't really beating on it as I didn't want to break anything but when the secondaries opened up in second the tires just broke loose. I'm still running 19lb injectors and the stock pump. I figuerd the intercooler drop in psi might keep those within range and I was right. I can't get away from problems though. The cog belt shreaded after about 10 mins of driving. The car still drove home like normal so that was nice. I think the tension on the 4 rib belt was a bit too tight. I thought it was going to be the pulley as that could use some better engineering. I'll get a longer 4 rib belt and hopefully get another cog belt from Mr. Knight and try it again. First impressions are awesome though. The MAF was still setup for a blow through and the car ran perfect. I added a bit of fuel up top with my S-AFC but the Air fuel was great. I think the MAF positioning in the other piping setup really messes with the readings.

[Blackcoog]

I talked to Mr. Knight again and he said the belt I was using wasn't strong enough to spin the larger blower. He calculated that I was pumping 11 psi at the compressor outlet. He also stated that I will lose 2psi through the FMIC and 1/2psi for each 90 degree bend. I have about 4 90's and two 45's in the piping. He pointed me toward a gates kevlar belt sold in the powerdyne units. I put an order in for one last night and paid to have it overnighted. Hopefully it gets here Saturday.

[VNMUS]

The suspense is killing me.

[BeakerLuv22]

Chris could you wait til I get home before you test this out? I don't want to come home to either a broken car or a broken Chris........

[VNMUS]

Chris could you wait til I get home before you test this out? I don't want to come home to either a broken car or a broken Chris........
Spoil sport! :rolleyes:

[BeakerLuv22]

Don't blame this one on me. It is a girls weekend and I don't want to come home early because he broke something. (Car or himself, hehehee)

[Video_Master]

broken chris. sorry, but that is funny sounding.

[BeakerLuv22]

Hehehhehehhee, I still love ya hun....

[Blackcoog]

Yeah I'll wait.... :hilarious

I already drove it and it was fine dork. What's the worse that could happen... :splat2:

[DNeinstadt]

I have a truck & a tow strap, I can pull him home.

Dan

[Blackcoog]

It won't need it!

[prostang92]

so?

[DNeinstadt]

Still driving I think. I saw it tonight..

[Blackcoog]

So what? No belt yet I'm still waiting. Should be here tomorrow if they overnighted it like they should have. I bought it Thursday night.

[ClOckwOrk]

re-dyno it so you can change that signature! i'm making a run at 300 on the stock motor. i got a safc2 in my car now and i had to lean the car out 14% after 5000 rpm to get the car out of the 10.5 AFR's now it RIPS. on the bottle im at about 12.7 and off its 12.5-13.0. i gave shotime a ride it proably wont compare to your setup but itll take almost all the ricers i hang with haha.......

but chris i really need to get ahold of you, i dont know how to change some of the sensor settings on the SAFC i just left it alone because i have the wideband to make sure it runs where its supposed to be. the fuel curve adjustments work fine and all that but i didnt initialize any sensor changes. also i wanted to talk to ya..... i was thinkin about going to DB performance and buy an hour of dyno time, i wont need too long so maybe you can come and take a couple pulls if you want? leme know!

[SHOTIME2669]

i was thinkin about going to DB performance and buy an hour of dyno time, i wont need too long so maybe you can come and take a couple pulls if you want? leme know!

Well now if Chris doesn't jump on this I'd be interested in putting mine on the dyno. I need to know what is going to the ground with the Torsen, WR headers and the Borla catback. It would be nice to have a baseline before I start fixing to put that turbo on there.

[Blackcoog]

Once I get this supercharger figured out I'll get a dyno time setup. As of right now it will be at least another week.

I received that new belt. Had the BOV flange welded onto a 2.5" stainless pipe and hooked it up. I picked up a slightly longer 4 rib belt that goes from the power steering pump pulley to the jackshaft to loosen everything up a bit. I thought it was a bit too tight before. I started everything up to make sure it was all working. BOV worked after I unkinked the vacuum hose. The belts looked great. I reved it a bunch of times to makes sure they looked ok. Nothing out of the ordinary happened. I got in to take it for a ride and on the first pull the belt shredded again. This time the belt didn't rip all the way but was shredded up pretty good. I had to cut it off along with the 4 rib belt to drive it home NA.

So I started going over it to figure out what was going on and the belt definitely moved off the compressor pulley. The guide (washer) that was pressed on the pulley was gone so the belt must have moved over and pushed itself off while cutting itself up in the process. I don't think I have a belt strength issue. I sent Mr. Knight an email and ask him to make a new jackshaft/pulley setup for my kit. He said he will have it overnighted to me on Wednesday along with a new belt (original version I had) and a guide/washer I can press onto the compressor pulley. I just need to figure out what is going on with the belt setup when it's under load. Reving in the driveway is fine but on that first run it blew right off. Last time the original belt lasted for almost 10 mins. The new belt I picked up was actually 1.5" though so I had to cut it down to fit on the compressor pulley. The original one was 1" and I think I cut mine down to a little over 1.2". Maybe the extra belt width also added to the problem.

Any machinists out there want to take a look at the setup? I need to hook up a video camera in there to see what shifts during load. The bolt holding the pulleys in place and the compressor itself are bolted to the main bracket so they can't be moving. I wonder if a small misalignment is causing the cog belt to shift off at high rpm.

[VNMUS]

These delays are killing me. Hopefully you'll get it all worked out soon. Wish I were able to help you.

[BeakerLuv22]

I just wish that I had my garage parking spot back...

:confused:

[Blackcoog]

Quiet you! Get back to work.

[BeakerLuv22]

You get back to work, I am on lunch. Hehheheheeeee

[SVTom]

Hopefully not too stupid of a question... would this same supercharger kit work on the 3.0 L that they are putting in the Fusion?

[Blackcoog]

I doubt it but it's possible. I'd have to see an engine bay shot to decide.

[VNMUS]

Hopefully not too stupid of a question... would this same supercharger kit work on the 3.0 L that they are putting in the Fusion?
HEY!!! I'm first :rolleyes:

[ClOckwOrk]

chris, i dont mean to be a dweeb here but remember what i pointed at on the teeth of your gears? the edges are chewed upward. that may push the belt enough to start it moving sideways and once it gets partway moved it probably keeps going until it tears up. which way is it shifting? IIRC the engine side of the pulley was fine but the fender side was pretty hacked up. those gears are gonna need to be perfect or else the contact patch isnt perfect. of course you'll find out if thats the problem when you get the new gears put on it.

[Blackcoog]

The main cog gear wasn't perfect but it wasn't chewed up bad enough to cause any belt slipage. At least I don't think it is. Other than a few nicks the gear is straight. It's sliding off toward the engine from the compressor pulley. I wonder if shimming the upper pulley toward the fender would help. I don't understand why the guides on the compressor pulley aren't keeping the belt lined up though. The belt has definately been right up against the guide toward the engine each time I've started it and watched it in the garage. I bet I could have guides welded onto the larger cog pulley that would keep it centered on that pulley as well. It would basically be two huge washers welded to the side of the pulley all the way around so the belt couldnt' fall off either side. Then just line the two up when mounting them.

[ClOckwOrk]

can you take off the pulley and put the shaft (bolt) back through? check to see if that's sitting level. it would have to be perfect in order to not come off sideways. the holes could be worn or just pressed through a degree or 2 crooked. its worth looking at IMO

[Blackcoog]

I'm willing to bet it isn't perfectly level but you can't tell buy eyeing it up. I'll try to check it tonight when I get home. Hopefully he overnights everything today so I'll have it tomorrow like he told me Monday.

[Blackcoog]

I figured it out. It's definately the pulley setup. Once it's tightend down it won't spin. The spacers he made for me are too large and they smash down on the part of the bearing that doesn't spin when tight. I normally leave it loose so I can get the belts on when I'm installing it. Then I tighten it down when the belts are set. After it's tighten down I wouldn't be able to spin it by hand to check it because it's hooked up to the pulley on the engine. If I get everything he was going to send tomorrow it will be up and running.

[VNMUS]

Can't wait. Will you bring it to the CSVT meet on Saturday at the MOA?

[Blackcoog]

I'm not sure if I would trust it on a long trip yet. Maybe...

[ClOckwOrk]

nice man! glad you figured it out. i been thinking about gettin one! lol. once again, check CEG PM's

[VNMUS]

I'm not sure if I would trust it on a long trip yet. Maybe...
If not, will we see the Silver 2000 CSVT?

[Blackcoog]

Yup it will most likely be the CSVT as that is my daily driver.

I got the pulley all figured out today, but the belt is still shifting a bit. I'm going to have the machine shop at my work put some guides on the larger pulley tomorrow. I'll bribe them with some donuts and I'm sure they'll do it. Otherwise I found a machine shop in Fridley that would do it but they were closing when I called today.

I'm still not sure why the belt is shifting though. Looking at the setup the pulleys seem to be parallel. I even loosed the belt tension and tried it without any luck. The belt just slides right over and starts rubbing against the other belt. Some guides should keep everything on track even if things aren't perfectly straight. It will probably be better in the long run anyway incase things ever shift around.

[Blackcoog]

No Cougar this weekend guys. The machine shop won't be done with the pulley setup until early next week. Everyone is busy.

The Contour will be there though.

[VNMUS]

No Cougar this weekend guys. The machine shop won't be done with the pulley setup until early next week. Everyone is busy.

The Contour will be there though.
Look forward to seeing you and the car. See you there.

[Sprebound]

Wow...so this is the s/c you were referring to. It was nice meeting you today btw... Maybe in the future you might be able to help me out with a 3.0 setup...only time and money will tell how soon that will be. Keep up the R&D and are you gonna be at the meet on Saturday?

[Blackcoog]

Yup I should be at the next meet also. If the Cougar is running it will be there otherwise I'll bring the Contour again.

[Sprebound]

Awesome dude, hopefully you can get the cougar running safely before then cuz that would be really cool to see. But enough of this off-subjectness - Continue with Project Domination

[VNMUS]

I might have to stop by for a sneak peek if you keep teasing like this :rolleyes:

[Blackcoog]

I'm curious. Who would be interested in the kit if I redesigned it and started selling it. I have no idea what price would be yet but I'm just wondering who would be interested in the kit if I proved it would work and be reliable. I'm meeting with the engineering firm that fixed up my kit to figure out what it would cost to make everything. I want to add in a tensioner for the 4 rib belt and remove the "slots" (poor man's tensioner) in the bracket to keep it centered. I also want to make it so the power steering doesn't need to be modified and the materials used are stainless or powder coated steel. The only issue would be coming up with a compressor that would work. I'll be able to get all the brackets and pulleys made up but the compressor is going to be a little more difficult. TK's compressors are pieced together out of parts he has lying around. The turbo housing is machined down to fit over a huge turbine. I wonder if it would be a better idea to make the kit work with a vortech or powerdyne head unit. It would sure make things more expensive though. I think the powerdyne units I saw online were all over $1k just for the head unit.

[VNMUS]

You know you can count me in Chris.

[cobraboy325]

he is getting his engineering firm going. well done kid.
Cb

[Blackcoog]

The firm is one we use at my work to build our test equipment and various fixtures. They are mainly a machine shop run by engineers. They do excellent work. They followed my drawings perfectly and now I have a boosted Cougar to bring to the Contour meet tomorrow. ;)

Oh yeah baby! Car is a little louder now. I might need new tires soon...

[VNMUS]

Man, you have to take me for a ride. :pant:

[Blackcoog]

You should stop over before the meet. :)

[VNMUS]

I might just have to do that :)

[Blackcoog]

Well I added some washers to shim the kit up slightly to take care of that belt slipping issue yesterday morning. I got it out on the road and floored it. It got pased 4500rpms fine and then kept going until I hit about 6800 rpms. I heard some bad noises so I shut the car off immediately (to stop the supercharger from spinning). I coasted onto a side street and checked everything out. Physically it looked fine. I started it up again and heard a metal scraping sound so I shut it off immediately. I carry a cutters with me now for situations like this. I cut the 4 rib belt off and then tried to spin the compressor it didn't turn very well and the turbine was scrapping the housing a bit. I got it home fine NA and then pulled the compressor off. Turns out I fried one of the bearings in the compressor. The turbine and housing are a little scrapped up but they will be fine. I'm sending the compressor back to have some better bearings installed. Grade 9 bearings is what he said he was going to install.

I guess the belt slip I was seeing could have been bearing drag in the upper RPMS. The previous bearings were rated for 34,000 rpms continuous and he said they can handle short spikes past that. Mine should spin up to about 45,000 rpms near redline. The new bearings are good to 100,000 rpms so they should do the trick.

I'll let you know when I get everything back. If it all seems to be working well I'll get it to a dyno.

[DNeinstadt]

Holy cow. Wouldn't you have rather installed a V8 and a turbo?!

;)
Dan

[Blackcoog]

Yeah a V8 RWD Cougar would be unique but that's a little more work than I really want to commit to right now. Maybe later... :)

At least I'm getting somewhere with the supercharger. Some drive time with a slipping belt is better than none I guess. The power was very addicting when it was working so I can't wait to get it back up and running. Also the problem is easy to diagnose so that's good. I sent it out next day so he should have it tomorrow. Normally he sends it back next day so if he has the parts I'll have it this week some time.

[VNMUS]

The previous bearings were rated for 34,000 rpms continuous and he said they can handle short spikes past that. Mine should spin up to about 45,000 rpms near redline. The new bearings are good to 100,000 rpms so they should do the trick.
Holy Crap! Mine redlines at 6,500rpm. I think F1 cars are only hitting 22,000rpms. What the hell are you building? :haha:

[ClOckwOrk]

he's talking about the supercharger bearings? lol that sucks mr. coog :( get this charger going so i can buy one eh?

[Blackcoog]

Yeah it's a 6:1 ratio with the pulley setup so about 42,000 rpms at 7k.

[VNMUS]

:splat2:

[Blackcoog]

Well the 3in exhaust is going on tomorrow morning. I'm replacing the 2.25" piping up to the split at the rear with 3" piping. The rear won't look any different but it will flow a hell of a lot more. The 2.25" was too small for the 3L but I liked the sound of it so much I didn't want to change it. The supercharger really needs it though. I've heard some bad stories online of people hating the sound of the exhaust after swithing to larger piping so I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[VNMUS]

So the stock SVT pipes I'm running right now may be a little too small for the 3L?

[Blackcoog]

It might be a better idea to upgrade to 2.5" piping for the 3L to get more power out of it. I'd get a tune before anything though. Go to 3" if you plan on getting a supercharger for it down the road.

[VNMUS]

Headers and a tune are first on the list but I might be just as well doing pipes at the same time. Now I just need to find myself a decent job.

[ryanblacksvt]

So whats the deal with this, has this hit a brick wall or what? I am wanting some sort of fi now that I have done the lsd,clutch,flywheel,ball joints,forged axels,shift linkage.

[prostang92]

saw it last thursday.... VERY NICE custom install by chris... :) Ill let him chime in on the rest, and details...

cc

[SVT-5LITER]

P I C S !!!

[SVT-5LITER]

;)

[SVT-5LITER]

:grin:

[VNMUS]

P I C S !!!
Read the whole thread and you'll see the pics.

[SVT-5LITER]

I thought there were updated pics :shrug:

[Blackcoog]

No, the most recent pictures are identical. I worked through a bearing issue previously and now I have to sand down the backing plate a bit because the impeller brushes it every so slightly and the noise is very annoying. Car drives great with it on though. I just need to make sure everything is nice and tight as I had my temp sensor blow out of the hole because of the pressure. So it wasn't even getting full boost when I was driving it. :)

I'm working on building my own kit but the bracket is taking forever for some reason. I'm still waiting to hear back from the machine shop on the brackets.

[ryanblacksvt]

So is this now your kit or the Thomas Knight one still? And has he paid for all the problems with the bearings and impellars or what? I am just wanting to know about him standing behind his work ya know. So now that you had all those problems and they are fixed is he changing the compressor to like yours is now so they will all work? Cause I dont wanna buy one and then have to do a ton of work to it till its right, I wanna bolt it on and not worry.

[Blackcoog]

The kit in this post is the TK kit I fabricated to work. The kit I'm designing is completely different. The only thing similar in the kit I'm designing will be the location of the blower. Also the TK kit isn't a kit. It is a box of parts that you need to figure out. It will never work without the redesigned pulley I had made and the upgraded bearings I made TK install. Wait for my kit to get finished up if you want something that will work and be reliable.

[ClOckwOrk]

plus chris's TK kit is sold! lol. and probably not reliable, but with a blower, 75 shot of nitrous, stock diff and 140k on my motor, what part of the car is? lol

[Blackcoog]

The TK kit I'm selling you should be reliable. There really isn't anything else that can fail that I haven't had to deal with already. lol :)

[ClOckwOrk]

hey chris i was thinking about that rubbing problem.....maybe the shaft walked toward the pulley side and it just needs to be pressed a bit. thats something i'll have to look at. oohhh man am i gonna be broke after thursday!!!!

[ryanblacksvt]

Ok Coog, sounds great to me. Do you know a time frame when your kit will be ready, and will it be a "bolt on" kit?

[Blackcoog]

I'm working as fast as I can. I have the prototype bracket right now and I have to make a few modifications to get everything to fit correctly. Then I need pick up a few things still: custom outlet pipe, custom coolant tank, BOV, piping to intake, etc. I've been waiting on the bracket so I can get to work on the piping. It's hard to say when things will be ready. I'm hoping I'll have it finished within a month or two.

[ClOckwOrk]

hey are you not going to use your custom coolant res? if not i'll buy that in another week or so! lol

[Blackcoog]

I could probably sell it. I just need to get some general measurments off it so I can have a new one made that is a bit smaller for the other kit.

[ClOckwOrk]

measure it, and gime a price. i wont be able to pay you for it till next week though, i dont have any car money after the blower until my paypal money comes into my account from the car stuff i sold lately.

[cobraboy325]

Damn coog, glad to see your engineering skills coming to good use... I hope this SH*T takes off for you, it sounds like an AMAZING idea
CB

[Blackcoog]

I just hope I get a good product that people will be happy with which will help them sell.

[ryanblacksvt]

I'm working as fast as I can. I have the prototype bracket right now and I have to make a few modifications to get everything to fit correctly. Then I need pick up a few things still: custom outlet pipe, custom coolant tank, BOV, piping to intake, etc. I've been waiting on the bracket so I can get to work on the piping. It's hard to say when things will be ready. I'm hoping I'll have it finished within a month or two.


Sounds great to me, keep up the good work man.

[ClOckwOrk]

well i got a whole 6 miles out of the TK kit from chris before it grenaded again, bearing is shot. hardly turns. and chris isnt answering my calls. pretty sweet if you ask me.

[No1Ford]

well i got a whole 6 miles out of the TK kit from chris before it grenaded again, bearing is shot. hardly turns. and chris isnt answering my calls. pretty sweet if you ask me.
Whats the tk kit?

[Video_Master]

well i got a whole 6 miles out of the TK kit from chris before it grenaded again, bearing is shot. hardly turns. and chris isnt answering my calls. pretty sweet if you ask me.


Maybe he is busy or out of town.

[Blackcoog]

Was at a Birthday party...

I called and talked to Clockwork. We'll get TK to fix it as it has a warranty through him.

[BeakerLuv22]

Just for reference we are not a 24hour garage.

[Blackcoog]

Here is they reply from Mr. Knight Clockwork. He likes to type in CAPS in every email for some reason. I think his keboard must be broken... Just send the compressor section to his address listed below and he'll take care of it.

"I HAVE HAD ONE CERAMIC BEARINGS FAIL OTHER THAN YOURS. IT WAS ON A SEA-DOO AFTER ABOUT 500 HRS. SEND IT BACK AND I WILL CHANGE THEM FOR THE NEWER STYLE I NOW USE, REBALANCE THE ENTIRE UNIT, AND CHECK THE THRUST CLEARANCE (BEARINGS ARE CONSTANTLY BEING UPDATED BY MANUFACTURERS). THE SIDE LOAD OF THE COG BELT COULD BE TOO GREAT IF TENSION IS TOO HIGH. THE BELT SHOULD ONLY BE TIGHT ENOUGH TO NOT ALLOW THE TOOTH TO SLIP. THE BEARINGS WILL HAVE LITTLE SIDE LOAD FROM THRUST BECAUSE ONLY 10 PSI OR LESS IS BEING MADE. ONLY COMPRESSOR SURGE (NO BOV) WOULD RAISE THE THRUST LOAD BY 1000%. FOR INSTANCE, THE SEA-DOO SUPERCHARGER USES THE SAME BEARINGS. THEY HAVE A 5.5:1 GEAR DRIVE RATIO--GEARS CREATE 300% MORE SIDE-LOAD, AND WE SPIN THE SEA DOO 65K RPM. THE POSSIBILITY OF THE SHAFT MOVING IN OR OUT .010" AND ALLOWING THE WHEEL TO CONTACT THE BACKING PLATE COULD HAVE CAUSED THE BEARING TO FAIL. WHICH ONE IS BAD? THE PULLEY SIDE, OR THE IMPELLER SIDE?

THOMAS (GEOFF) KNIGHT
THOMAS KNIGHT TURBOS
22050 SW 155 AVE
MIAMI, FL 33170
786-243-2000
BOOSTHEAD.COM"

[VNMUS]

Just for reference we are not a 24hour garage.
Well said! But you guys do go the extra mile time and time again! :worship:

[BeakerLuv22]

I know that Chris is more then willing to help, and he loves to help anyone that may need it. But I guess it is just annoying when people think that they can call whenever they want to and if we don't answer they just keep calling. We do things outside of cars and people need to understand that.

Thanks for the back-up on this one VNMUS.

[Blackcoog]

We do things outside of cars and people need to understand that.

We do?




j/k :)

[BeakerLuv22]

Yes indeedy lemon squeezy! Don't you remeber we just went to the RollerDerby on Saturday. See that has nothing to do with cars....

[ClOckwOrk]

hey im not trying to get on anybodys case here guys, just to make that clear. i just expect to be helped on the subject when i spent all the money that i did. and i was helped, and thank you chris for your efforts, the kit should be working soon enough.

[BeakerLuv22]

Sorry that wasn't directed at you. Just in general, there are a lot of people that will call Chris whenever they feel like it and just keep calling, and calling and calling. I am just stating that everyone just leaves a message and we will get back to you just as soon as we can.

Just as the message says.

[No1Ford]

Yes indeedy lemon squeezy! Don't you remeber we just went to the RollerDerby on Saturday. See that has nothing to do with cars....
They both have wheels. :)

[BeakerLuv22]

I guess that is one thing that makes them pretty close. But, at least their are not engines included in this sport.

[SHOTIME2669]

Sorry that wasn't directed at you. Just in general, there are a lot of people that will call Chris whenever they feel like it and just keep calling, and calling and calling. I am just stating that everyone just leaves a message and we will get back to you just as soon as we can.

Just as the message says.

The bottom line is Chris now has a business with a website and sells a product/service and I'm betting he has used his cell/home number to contact people about the product/service they bought. It's called caller ID and if your number isn't blocked people will have it when you call. Never use a personal number for business use. People will get the idea that they can call that number whenever they want to inquire about a purchase or have problems with a purchase. It's just bad practice... get a seperate phone line and use it strictly for business purposes. :shrug:

[BeakerLuv22]

Chris usually only contacts people by pm's and/or email. But, some people like to come to the house and the only real way to get a hold of us is on the cell phone. Doesn't really make sense to get another phone that we will never use.

[SHOTIME2669]

Yes I do know what caller ID is, I am really not an idiot as you are assuming. Chris usually only contacts people by pm's and/or email. But, some people like to come to the house and the only real way to get a hold of us is on the cell phone. Doesn't really make sense to get another phone that we will never use.

Never said or assumed you were an idiot, just making a point.

Well seems to me you would use it. You could avoid all of these aggravating phone calls that you are complaining about. You did just say there are a lot of people that will call Chris whenever they feel like it and just keep calling, and calling and callingHell just get a cell phone with a dirt cheap plan with a just a few hundred minutes. Isn't worth, what $25 a month, not to have to deal with the annoying calls if you truly are getting that many? If you use more then the few hundred minutes on the phone, then your business is doing well and it's worth it. Also if you go out and don't want to deal with the calls turn it off or leave it at home.

[No1Ford]

I guess that is one thing that makes them pretty close. But, at least their are not engines included in this sport.
Nope but you can buys some with engines on them. Even in pink. :haha:

http://exportscooter.en.alibaba.com/product/50188731/51062697/Roller_Skate_Shoes/Motorized_Roller_Blades/showimg.html

[Video_Master]

The bottom line is Chris now has a business with a website and sells a product/service and I'm betting he has used his cell/home number to contact people about the product/service they bought. It's called caller ID and if your number isn't blocked people will have it when you call. Never use a personal number for business use. People will get the idea that they can call that number whenever they want to inquire about a purchase or have problems with a purchase. It's just bad practice... get a seperate phone line and use it strictly for business purposes. :shrug:


Just cause he has a business and a website does not mean he is open 24/7.

[SHOTIME2669]

Just cause he has a business and a website does not mean he is open 24/7.

No doubt! However not everyone thinks like that. I'm just saying it's a simple if the money for an additional line or cell phone isn't an issue.

[ClOckwOrk]

just to make it clear, lol. i dont call chris's house, i call his cell phone. he didnt have his cell phone near him a the house, it was in his jacket pocket. he called me last night and talked to me, and it was past his bedtime, so he was most definately there to help. i just freaked out as most would when i buy something and i cant get ahold of him. i bought this blower knowing something may be happening to it, as it was making a sound. chris got TK to help me out, and is still helping me deal through him. i have never had a problem with dealing with chris, and i hope to do business with him again in the future for my engine swap. so lets not argue, it's stupid. we're all on a CONTOUR forum afterall, what's there to argue about? We are in clubs like this to make friends that share the same passion as ourselves, and that's what my intentions are! i hope i didnt make dealing with me sour to you, blackcoog (&beakerluv).

[VNMUS]

Thanks for the back-up on this one VNMUS.
Any time :bouquet:

[Grenade]

Just cause he has a business and a website does not mean he is open 24/7.
D.A.

[Blackcoog]

FYI I have no problem with people calling me that actually bought something from me. I'm more than happy to help anyone with the engine I sold them. I've been having people call me to help them with there cars because they are too cheap to pay a shop to do it. Those are the calls I ignore. I have enough work from people that are paying customers.

[BeakerLuv22]

Exactly. well put love. Clockwork, no issues here. I was just trying to convey what Chris said only without calling people out on being stupid as they are. That was really the point.

[SHOTIME2669]

I've been having people call me to help them with there cars because they are too cheap to pay a shop to do it. Those are the calls I ignore.

Been there before... tell them you will have to charge an hourly rate because you have paying customers waiting and the calls will slowly go away :D:

[KyleQ]

I've called Chris on a few occasions that I have an issue with my car and I always get a prompt response and always a friendly one; hell, he's gone way over and beyond with helping me and I greatly apreciate it! I think you have to remember that Chris isn't single, works a full time job, and does this work as a hobbie. He does exelent work and stands behind it.
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[DNeinstadt]

He also smells like fresh roses.. :turnsgay:

[BeakerLuv22]

Actually, he kind of usually he smells like orange scented hand cleaner roses.

[DNeinstadt]

Fresh orange scented hand cleaner roses!

[BeakerLuv22]

Yes indeed! :)

[Blackcoog]

Hey that's not what you said the other night. You said I smelled like crap...

[cobraboy325]

"Sticks like___ in here... What happened"-Super Troopers