SVT Focus Pricing

[BenBrausen]

What did you guys pay for your SVT Focus'? I'm really lookin' at gettin' a '04 with the Euro Package but I'd need to get a sweet deal on it. I do get the X Plan pricing through work and all rebated still apply to it also.

[John M]

X Plan plus the $2500 rebate is around 20 Grand. Those are the prices I was seeing a month or so ago. Without the Euro package was around $17,000 plus rebate

[BenBrausen]

I was told around $18.6k with rebate. He didn't mention that including the X Plan discount.

[John M]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
I was told around $18.6k with rebate. He didn't mention that including the X Plan discount.

Just ask to see the invoice, it lists X Plan, A/D Plan and if they show you that then you know your good. The Foci have lots of different options so pricing can vary between all the models.

FYI- American Ford has 2 Red Foci, 1 with Euro and 1 without. Apple Valley has a Red Euro and reg Sonic Blue. X Plan on the non Euro units at both Apple and American are $16445 and that includes the $2500 rebate.

[BenBrausen]

Any clue how much the euro package adds at dealer cost?

[Tommy]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
What did you guys pay for your SVT Focus'? I'm really lookin' at gettin' a '04 with the Euro Package but I'd need to get a sweet deal on it. I do get the X Plan pricing through work and all rebated still apply to it also.

I have a Red Euro package for 21,161.08.

21,161.08 - 2,500= 18,668.00 + tax and lic.

BTW X-Plan is 21,307.84 I'll show it to you.

Call me at 952-484-8767

[John M]

Originally posted by Tommy
I have a Red Euro package for 21,161.08.

21,161.08 - 2,500= 18,668.00 + tax and lic.

BTW X-Plan is 21,307.84 I'll show it to you.

Call me at 952-484-8767

:thup: :thup: There you go

[BenBrausen]

What dealership is that? I've heard of people getting them for high $16k. Seems most places are selling them below invoice. Any chance they'll cut into the dealer holdback? That's 3% of the Total MSRP + additional 1.25% rebate of Total Invoice to Blue Oval Dealers.

[John M]

American Ford in Bloomington

[Tommy]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
What dealership is that? I've heard of people getting them for high $16k. Seems most places are selling them below invoice. Any chance they'll cut into the dealer holdback? That's 3% of the Total MSRP + additional 1.25% rebate of Total Invoice to Blue Oval Dealers.
What happened to buying at X-Plan?:drink: :confused:
Call me at 952-484-8767

[Tommy]

If there is a dealer doing that low, it would be a non-euro package Focus.

[BenBrausen]

I was lookin' at buyin' a black one with the euro package but if that's as low as I can get it I'll check elsewhere and explore other options. I need a payment of under $300 a month. Resale value is horiable sadly and cost of ownership is fairly high so it's not gonna be worth it at the kinda price. Sorry.

[John M]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
I was lookin' at buyin' a black one with the euro package but if that's as low as I can get it I'll check elsewhere and explore other options. I need a payment of under $300 a month. Resale value is horiable sadly and cost of ownership is fairly high so it's not gonna be worth it at the kinda price. Sorry.

You could always start with a V6 Mustang, everybody has to start somewhere. Depending on your credit and downpayment, to keep under $300/MO on a 60 Month Note, you need to borrow between $14000-$16000.

[Tommy]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
I was lookin' at buyin' a black one with the euro package but if that's as low as I can get it I'll check elsewhere and explore other options. I need a payment of under $300 a month. Resale value is horiable sadly and cost of ownership is fairly high so it's not gonna be worth it at the kinda price. Sorry.
You have a PM.

[BenBrausen]

Thanks Tom, I messaged ya back.

Sorry but I'd never own a V6 Mustang. When I can spank them with my 11 year old 4 door that weighs more there's a problem. And I can school them on the road course too. I don't see how you can get it so cheap either. I checked X-Plan pricing and it looked like $18k was the cheapest. Not to hate on all of them because there are some that can hold their own but I don't like V6 Stangs.

[Blackcoog]

Get an old V6 stang for cheap and drop a V8 into it if you want to go fast.

Or if you want a fast 4-door you can get Contour SVT's like I have for cheap and they are loaded. ($6,000-$10,000 depending on how fast the seller wants the car to go). Check out the vehicals under classifieds on www.contour.org and look for the SVT's. Mine will easily keep up with a GT stang and take it at the top end once the car gets traction.

[BenBrausen]

I love the SVT Contours but I'm lookin' for brand new. If I was go look at something like that I'd go with another SHO again. MTX, Qualife differential, and 3.2L swap, etc... I want something brand new with a warranty.

[John M]

Gotta pay to play ;)

[Twitch]

Ya got to pay the cost to be the boss

[BenBrausen]

Got some pic of your Screaming Yellow SVT Focus? They have one avaliable in the state I might wanna take a look at. :grin:

[Twitch]

not sure what i did with the pics, BUT mine will be available from a dealership soon enough.

Jeep wouldnt sell it off thier lot, so they sent it to a Ford Dealership, i believe they said AV ford.

it has AEM cold air intake, Off-road pipe with O2 cheater, and a Borla Cat-Back exhaust.

[BenBrausen]

How'd that off-road pipe and exhaust work out for ya? I was thinkin' about the same thing.

[John M]

It was loud as it bounced off the rev limitor :grin:

[BenBrausen]

Heh.... Nice. Are they gonna try to say it voids the factory warranty?

[John M]

Altering your emissions will void the entire warranty,especially no cats.

[BenBrausen]

Won't they have to prove that it was a direct result of the modification? I have a father who is a formar district attorney and don't mind battlin' it in court. Went to court when the cable company tried to say that by running a server off my connection I was reselling the service. We won and they had to pay court costs and pay a restitution for wrongfully shutting my connection off. Heh, now I work for them. :tongue:

[cobraboy325]

nice thats what I am talking about, Iwish my father had those kinds of skills, but he doesnt so I will just have to buy a car with a warranty

[John M]

Ben this isnt a deal where you add a part and it causes another part to fail or non OEM part voiding your warranty. It clearly states that altering your emissions system will void the warranty. That includes changing cats or adding a chip, the EEC is part of emissions. Lastly, its a federal offense to remove cats from a vehicle much less run without them. I believe you have to wait something like 6 years or 75,000 miles before you can legally start doing that. Daddy might of won against the cable company but I dont think he is gonna beat this one.

[Twitch]

im screwed

[BenBrausen]

I heard the rebate on the SVT Focus just went up another $500 making it $3000. Is that true?

[Tommy]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
I heard the rebate on the SVT Focus just went up another $500 making it $3000. Is that true?
Yes it did. We delivered a Yellow 3-Door today too.

[BenBrausen]

What 3 door with the euro package are still in the state? Is there an option of getting on in from another state?

[Twitch]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
What 3 door with the euro package are still in the state? Is there an option of getting on in from another state?


Mine was a yellow 3 door, with the euro package, also had a few aftermarket mods, see the previous posts

[BenBrausen]

Heard about your and I've heard about other's SVT Focus'..... Should I think twice about buyin' one? Either way I want new and it's the SVT Focus or the SRT-4....

[DNeinstadt]

I saw the yellow one yesterday at AF. Looked good. May have been Twitch's old one :)

Dan

[Tommy]

Originally posted by DNeinstadt
I saw the yellow one yesterday at AF. Looked good. May have been Twitch's old one :)

Dan
That was the one we delivered yesterday. We have a Red Euro left.

[BenBrausen]

The more I research the problems they seem to be having with the SVT F the more I wonder if I should consider buying one. :( I don't know, and it doesn't seem like Ford is doin' anything to fix it from everything I've read on the SVTOA.com forum and SVTPerformance.com. Love the car but I don't know if I could deal with another car that needs repairs all the time.

[Twitch]

hehe now that you mention it, the 2nd day i had it it blew 2 O-rings on the fuel rail

[BenBrausen]

I've read alot about rough idling problems, surging, etc...

[Twitch]

yeah it did that also, would be sitting there at a constant speed, (or attempt at a constant speed), and you could just feel the car wanting to go, and relaxing. just something ya deal with, its because of the OEM throttle body, its sluggish, and jumpy. there is an aftermarket that takes care of that problem.

the other problem of rough idiling, well thats simple, give it more air, or at least mine stopped when i put the CAI on it. The blasted motor is STARVED for air.

[BenBrausen]

From what I've hears the surging problems have been fixed on the 02's and '03s with the Super Chip. There isn't a Super Chip avaliable for the '04's yet. I've also heard that some people are havin' problems with the engine totally dying while driving. Just cuts out all together. Other misc problems that have been with the Focus since they were introduced in '00.

[Tommy]

I think Twitch needs to elaborate more on his driving habits here.

[SSHFTY1]

my wife and i had an 03 silver f and we loved it couldn't keep me out of it.. never had a lick of trouble either. I would buy one of those before i bought anything again, wish i still had it, great car for the money.

[Twitch]

Originally posted by Tommy
I think Twitch needs to elaborate more on his driving habits here.

what???? me????

HEHE

DRIVE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT

hows that Tommy?

ALOT of the problems you hear about from Focus owners, are because they take a regular ZX3 or the such, and try to hop it up to be on par with the SVTF. WELL it just dont work that way.

There is a reason that 95% of all the aftermarket mods are meant for regular Foci, and not for the SVTF. AND even if you were to put all the good mods on a regular ZX3 (not including turbos, or supercharger) that regular ZX3 still cant do what the SVTF could do, before something on that motor went wrong.

The SVTF has stronger springs, 2 stage air intake, dual mass flywheel and all the other bells and whistles for a reason, its meant to be driven a certain way, (the way I drove it?).

I love that car to death, it was a perfect match to my personality, but it got expensive as a daily driver (trying to keep it looking Prestigous and what not). If I had the heart to just drive it and not try to keep it looking good, I would still be driving it.

just my 2cents

[Twitch]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
From what I've hears the surging problems have been fixed on the 02's and '03s with the Super Chip. There isn't a Super Chip avaliable for the '04's yet. I've also heard that some people are havin' problems with the engine totally dying while driving. Just cuts out all together. Other misc problems that have been with the Focus since they were introduced in '00.

superchip for the 04 should be the same as the superchip for the 03. they were just trying to sell them off i thought?

Tommy, am I right on this one?

[BenBrausen]

It's stuff like this that makes me wonder.....

SVTOA's TBS Thread (http://www.svtownersassociation.com/svtoaforums/showthread.php?t=4865)

[John M]

Somebody please let this thread die, Ben said several weeks ago the Foci was out of his price range, if the car has all these problems and isnt in the price range lets move on. On the cruise this evening, I did see SHO parked on the side of the road for $1900.

Ben a TSB isnt anything bad at all. TSB is the abbreviation for TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN. TSBs save Ford millions of dollars on warranty work. When you take a vehicle in for a problem, the Tech will type in symptoms of the problem and the Oasis system will give the Tech TBSs and guidlines to check and help solve the customers issues. A TSB is very different than a recall which is usually only something the auto manufacture would do because the NTSB is about to get envoilved. The major recalls the Focis have had are wheel bearing and checking the main power supply off the battery. The Foci is 1 of Fords best sellers next to the F150 and it helps CAFE so we can all have our gas guzzling Cobras and SUVs.

[BenBrausen]

The TBS isn't a big deal. The big deal is that almost 75% or more of SVT F owners are having these problems with them. No pull from a stop, surging at light throtle, dying while driving, 10 second cranks to turn it over, infamous clutch rattle, flickering battery lights, idle at 3000-4500rpms on cold start, etc... I'm still considering it if I could find the right color once I pay the bills this month (or mabe a SRT-4) but I just don't know if I could deal with bringin' it to a dealership all the time for all these issues others are all having. How likley are these problems to be fixed? I know alot of these people don't have autherized SVT dealers to goto for servicing. Is that gonna make a big difference? What kinda loaner car do ya get? :grin: One of the loaners I get from time to time from my dad's cusins shop is a turbo'd Sundance that use to run mid 11's. Talk about a sleeper. It won't run 11's anymore but I'm sure it can still run high 12's. Ate a '99 Cobra once (from a dead stop) and took a '00 Vette from a roll once. Shoulda seen the look on their faces.

As for the SHO you saw, that's about all I could hope to get for mine. Mabe a lil more if I was lucky. If your gonna go manual, you need to get it Qualife equiped or kiss your differential bye-bye.

[cobraboy325]

Like John said let this thread die you are beating a dead horse. If you come in this forum expecting people to tell you its a horrible car your wrong. Everyone here loves their SVT powered cars and if they had a choice wouldn't trade them. If you ask me I would buy a Focus just so I could be in this group. If you could have been on the cruise last night you would have known what I was talking about. The way twitch says he beats the **** out of his car and didnt have a lot of problems sounds like the foci are a good deal to me

[Steelgrave]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
The TBS isn't a big deal. The big deal is that almost 75% or more of SVT F owners are having these problems with them. No pull from a stop, surging at light throtle, dying while driving, 10 second cranks to turn it over, infamous clutch rattle, flickering battery lights, idle at 3000-4500rpms on cold start, etc... I'm still considering it if I could find the right color once I pay the bills this month (or mabe a SRT-4) but I just don't know if I could deal with bringin' it to a dealership all the time for all these issues others are all having. How likley are these problems to be fixed? I know alot of these people don't have autherized SVT dealers to goto for servicing. Is that gonna make a big difference? What kinda loaner car do ya get? :grin: One of the loaners I get from time to time from my dad's cusins shop is a turbo'd Sundance that use to run mid 11's. Talk about a sleeper. It won't run 11's anymore but I'm sure it can still run high 12's. Ate a '99 Cobra once (from a dead stop) and took a '00 Vette from a roll once. Shoulda seen the look on their faces.

As for the SHO you saw, that's about all I could hope to get for mine. Mabe a lil more if I was lucky. If your gonna go manual, you need to get it Qualife equiped or kiss your differential bye-bye.

Maybe your brother's sister's uncle's cousin's friend should get into ford warranty work;) :grin:

There isn't a single mass produced vehicle anywhere on the planet that doesn't have little quirks and problems. The Evo's are blowing engines and cracking rotors. The WRX's all have some problems. Heh even Volvo's have problems.

The Focus dying while driving problem I've never heard of, but doesn't suprise me. Most of the cobra's and manual GT's all seem to have that problem too, (at least from what I've personally seen and talked to owners about).

The SRT-4 is a nice little package, but I'd bet if you go find some SRT4 forums are start digging, they have plenty of problems too.

[BenBrausen]

Only wide spread problem with the SRT-4 that I've heard of is cracking/white spark plug wire from bein' too close to the turbo. Dodge replaces it with a new larger one and problem is solved. Seems that the computer flash for the '02-'03 SVT F have solved the problem for some but there is none for the '04. I love the SVT F package. Just needs a lil more power. Nothin a Vortech can't fix. :grin: Gonna have to see what colors are left in the 2 door. I don't think I could deal with red or yellow. I'd have to see the Sonic Blue in person (looks amazing on the Cobra). Wish I could fine a black one. I'd love silver too. :)

[Twitch]

ya wanna know another problem or 2 with the srt 4??

not enought power, even with a turbo. tires wear out fast with all that lack of power. it also stalls from a stop, any car does if you dont give it enough gas. ANYONE who has driven a SVTF knows that the power starts at about 2750rpm from a dead stop.

another problem for the srt4 aftermarket mods cost about 2-3 times as much as anything else for a SVTF.

If you wanna just post the negatives about the SVTF go do it on a dodge site, hell they might even sponsor you.

GOODNIGHT and moderators PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD

[BenBrausen]

Wow. I wasn't tryin to hack apart the SVT F. I just wanna be sure that if I buy one I don't get stuck with something that's gonna be in the shop more then it's on the street.

Go ahead delete this thread (even if it is the most reply'd to thread on the site).

Ouch..... (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8214)

[DNeinstadt]

Guys, I don't want to have to delete any thread on this site. I feel that the discussion can continue as long as people are civil.

At Car Craft this past weekend, Blackcoog and I saw a 470fwhp Neon. The mods list said "Big TURBO". That is some serious power from a frickin' NEON!

I have yet to see a Focus with that much power and that little $. I own a Cobra, one of the baddest cars in the land, but I'm still a LITTLE bit wary of an SRT4. You never know what you're lining up against..

Carry on! :dj:

[John M]

Originally posted by BenBrausen
Wow. I wasn't tryin to hack apart the SVT F. I just wanna be sure that if I buy one I don't get stuck with something that's gonna be in the shop more then it's on the street.

Go ahead delete this thread (even if it is the most reply'd to thread on the site).

Ouch..... (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=16&article_id=8214)

Dont flatter yourself with this post, without even doing a search I can think of several that have had more views as well as replies. (http://svtoatc.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20 ) Another thing, its not quantity its quality and Ive seen posts with 4 replies that have more than this post. (Picture of Jasons dog come to mind)

I think Cobraboy said it best, your on a SVT site, Ive seen more bitches(you call em concerns) than good things about the Focus from you. You think its going to go over well ? Why dont you go to Focaljet.com, those guys will be the best to answer all your questions about the Focus, however if you carry the same attitude you do here, be ready to be called a Troll http://www.gmvsford.com/forums/images/smilies/troll.gifand have your ass torn to shreds.




BTW- Dan, Dig through your old MM/FF rags. They have that Sonic Blue Foci with a 03 Cobra drivetrain:scram:

[Steelgrave]

Originally posted by DNeinstadt

At Car Craft this past weekend, Blackcoog and I saw a 470fwhp Neon. The mods list said "Big TURBO". That is some serious power from a frickin' NEON!


Thats just stupid in a car that small...

[John M]

Originally posted by Steelgrave
Thats just stupid in a car that small...

But 1000RWHP in a Vette or Mustang is much safer right :confused:

This is my last post to this thread and Im going to hope it dies.

[cobraboy325]

stupid is an understatement, there isnt a part on that car that would handle that type of power. however if I could put out 500 hp in a matchbox hell yeah I would do it too

[DNeinstadt]

Yeah, I got it somewheres.. :)

[SSHFTY1]

hi how are all you guys hope you have a nice day now i'm :scram:

[Steelgrave]

Originally posted by John M
But 1000RWHP in a Vette or Mustang is much safer right :confused:

This is my last post to this thread and Im going to hope it dies.

I never said that either:rolleyes: